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Poster: Robert_NC Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Might as well delete it all - the streams don't work anyway - I tried 4 or 5, none of them worked.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

As you might appreciate, the site is no doubt under a heavy load tonight with all the changes.

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Poster: Robert_NC Date: Nov 22, 2005 11:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

403 is a security configuration error, not a server load error.

On a different note, not to be critical of LMA, because I assume LMA is not responsible, but I think everyone who submitted audience tapes should ask that they be removed completely.

The SBDs have always presumably been the property of The Grateful Dead.

The audience tapes were made under the policy that tapers were allowed to make, reproduce and distribute them FREELY. So the tapes are really the property of the original tapers and are to be traded FREELY as long as no money exchanges hands.

The streaming format basically violates this policy by preventing the free TRADE of the audio content of the original tapes. Tapers Unite!

This post was modified by Robert_NC on 2005-11-22 19:30:20

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Poster: markpj Date: Nov 22, 2005 12:10pm
Forum: etree Subject: bad marketing move from GD

bad move on the marketing end from grateful dead..only since i found this website have i been buying music from GD.. the memory was brought back to life from this site..sorry to all who will lose the chance to download there first show!

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Poster: Down the road feeling bad Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:36pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: bad marketing move from GD

Thats one of the first thoughts I had as well. I've been a dead-head forever and I just discovered this archive a couple weeks ago. I got all excited, asked a couple dozen internet friends "Are you into the Grateful Dead?" and they all said "no, not really". I asked "have you listened to much Dead?" and again, "no, not really". So I passed them a link to the classic performance of "Eyes Of The World" (3-29-1990) and said "here, listen to this". Every one of them (without exception) was totally blown away and every one of them asked whether that was really Grateful Dead. They all wanted more, so I said "ok, I'll compile a handful of links to some nice sample performances". I had just barely compiled a quick list and sent it along to a few of them yesterday. Within an hour they were telling me the links didn't work. Well, I guess we know why the links didn't work.

There's a new generation of potential dead-heads out there and they have internet access. The loss of this archive is a very bad business decision. If I were holding stock in this "company" I'd be selling as soon and the market opens today. (Yeah, I know, the Grateful Dead isn't a publicly traded company)

Many thanks and kudos to Brewster, Matt Vernon and any other players in the construction of this archive. I only wish I had found it sooner.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:22pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

I think everyone who submitted audience tapes should ask that they be removed completely....

The streaming format basically violates this policy by preventing the free TRADE of the audio content of the original tapes....


First, would it be a positive act for a taper to take away what does remain for the patrons here, in the heat of emotion? I'd hope any Dead audio taper has the years of maturity to look at this from the larger perspective of fan enjoyment.

Second, there are many trading-oriented sites across the net, but IA is not actually one of them. It's an online public library. Any band's policy with respect to the Internet Archive may differ a lot from their policy with respect to trading. Current example: Dave Matthews Band. Example: Phish. Example: Galactic. This is another one of those cases.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-23 06:22:12

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: Nov 22, 2005 12:20pm
Forum: etree Subject: website very slow

If you are getting a 403, please give us the URL.

We have having website troubles today as you all have noticed. We are not sure what the problem is, but it could be related to the Grateful Dead changes. We are working hard to put it together with folks that are on vacation and all.

Thank you for the patience.

-brewster

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: Nov 22, 2005 12:50pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: website very slow

We believe we have the website at full speed again. (it seems it was fixed by optimizing and maybe uncorrupting an sql table).

Please let us know if there are continued problems.

-brewster

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffTyler Date: Nov 22, 2005 1:16pm
Forum: etree Subject: can I see some hits graphs?

Is there public data on website hits / unique hits that www.archive.org or it's subdivisions receive? (i.e. www.archive.org/audio) ?

I'm curious because we have public charts for users added per day, number of recordings added per day / month, all that .. I was just curious with today's (i'm sure) flood of GD related hits .. i'm just a number junkie. can I see some bandwidth / hit graphs?

This post was modified by Tyler on 2005-11-22 21:16:45

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Poster: Hatta Date: Nov 23, 2005 1:10am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: website very slow

"We believe we have the website at full speed again. (it seems it was fixed by optimizing and maybe uncorrupting an sql table)."

You're so forthcoming when it comes to technical problems with the site. Why can't you be so forthcoming when it comes to political problems? Are you afraid of getting sued?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: Nov 22, 2005 12:40pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

If you are having trouble with the streams, please give us details. info@archive.org is a good address for details.

We have done what we can to keep as much access as possible.

Please help us debug our website.

-brewster

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Poster: whitelacestrange Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

damn..... i knew this day would come, i just never really thought about it. i only recently was showed this site and since im only 16 and therefore missed out on all the magic, i relied on this site, and all my dads bootlegs. i am thankful for the shows that i did manage to download, thank you so much archive.org, you have done more for us than you guys can imagine. its a shame deadheads have to be caught up in all this coorprate bull, it would be alot better if the dead were still on our side.
jerry is surely feeling our pain.

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Poster: Dodson Date: Nov 22, 2005 12:41pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Ouch! I have done almost nothing but listen to streaming audio up till now. I downloaded a few MP3s. I just upgraded my computer with the goal of building a pristine copy of 9/20/70. I have bought dozens of the records and CDs. And a dozen or so concert tickets. More if you count JGB and Robert Hunter shows. I started listening in 1973. Saw my first shows in 1974. I just sent $300 to GD merchandise for books and CDs. I would really like to get the show. Finding this site had sort of rekindled my interest. I understand pulling shows they are selling, but why the rest? I am glad to support the band and all, but why take the music away?

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